Perma Salt / Permasalt Ionizer system w/ Activate, Preparate, Klairavate Info!

[PoolDoc]

A fairly straight forward and seemingly accurate guide to using the Permasalt system: http://aurorapoolsknoxville.com/wp-c...tPermaSalt.pdf

Replacement copper/silver bars on Ebay:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Replacement...AAAMXQKQhRHujS

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[PoolDoc]

-- from the original 2012 post --

It seems to be an Asian made copper / silver ionizer system, often sold by above ground dealers like "Family Leisure" on their Permasalt page.

Their 'system' not only adds copper and silver to your pool, like a standard ionizer, it ALSO requires you to add an expensive salt mixture. They state that the Permasalt system "does not convert salt into chlorine" which leaves me wondering, why add the salt in the first place, if you're not going to use it?

Just to be clear: the Permasalt system is NOT a saltwater chlorination system (SWCG), though it DOES use chlorine in low doses. Their website, at http://www.permasalt.com/ has some brief manuals, here: http://www.permasalt.com/Downloads.html . However, much of the information I have is from the 2013 version of their pages, which included a lot more information, than the current ones.

They write that "The system chamber disperses natural minerals into the water including copper and silver, that serve as natural algaecides.". In other words, it's a copper / silver ionizer system.

They have "a specially blended family of ancillary products" they want to sell you:

• Preparate - "a Sodium based Salt that is enhanced with not only Borates, but also metal removers and cyanuric acid" or in other words, table salt with borax, stabilizer and some metal mystery products (possibly alum or aluminum sulfate) added.
  
  
• Activate - "combines both, DiChlor and Oxone" or in other words, diluted dichlor plus a bit of Dupont's Oxone non-sanitizing potassium monopersulfate product.
  
  
• Klairate -"a natural enzyme water clarifier" or in other words, an unidentified mystery product. It may have some value; it may be useless but harmless; or it may mess up your pool. We don't know.

-- Quotes mostly from this page: http://www.permasalt.com/Services.html (archived) --

The web domain (www.permasalt.com) was registered anonymously, and it's NEVER a good sign when company tries to hide from you! It should give you an idea how things will go if you need some customer service.

Their physical address is listed as 1004 Jaycox Rd, Avon OH . . . but there's no PermaSalt there. Here's the Google Map: http://goo.gl/maps/fi5T.

It looks like "Main Access" is the home of the Permasalt sales office. It looks pretty small to be a shipping location, so I'm guess that that location address may be "At the docks", somewhere freighters from Asia can land.

Doing a reverse look up for the 888 number or the street address, you find a number of different businesses:
Main Access -- www.gomainaccess.com
1004 Jaycox Rd.
Avon, OH 44011, USA
Phone: (888) 333-1134

http://www.powerionizer.com/Contact_Us.html

Recreational Products - Above Ground Pools
2968 Nationwide Pkwy.
Brunswick, OH 44212 USA
Toll Free: (888) 333-1134
Phone: (330) 220-8881

American Heritage Billiards LLC
630 Mondial Pkwy Streetsboro, OH 44241-5211
(330) 626-3710 (888) 333-1134

Main Access
Category: IT Services & Computer Repair
1004 Jaycox Rd
Avon, OH 44011
(440) 937-4870

I think I'm going to move this to the ionizer section, rather than the SWCG section, since the product claims to act like an ionizer, not a SWCG.

[PoolDoc]

Just a bit of an update . . .

You should set your BS detector to ALARM any time encounter a description like this "uses a natural synergy for a holistic approach to water maintenance". I've seen this sort of phrasing many times over my 25+ years in the pool industry, and that sort of phrasing always seems to be describe products that are very good for the people selling them, and very bad for the people buying them.

So . . . when you see this quote "The Perma Salt Pool Sanitation System uses a natural holistic approach to water maintenance and clarity, which is different than most methods of water sanitation.", your BS detector should immediately enter its ALARM state.

Actually, ANY of these words should lead put your BS detector into a WARNING state:

• holistic
• mineral
• synergy
• completely new
• natural (unless it's describing pools like these => http://pool9.net/npool/
• nature's way or nature's method (again, unless used with respect to 'npools')
• revolutionary
• completely new
• unprecedented
• chlorine-free

The Permasalt system literature doesn't use all these, but it uses many of them.

In fact, it is apparently just a run-of-the-mill copper system using a little chlorine and monopersulfate to keep the water from becoming totally septic, and some salt to make the pool FEEL like a salt pool.

It appears that somebody associated with the Permasalt system has been getting people (hired shills maybe?) to post positive but bogus reviews on various pool forums. So, before you trust such a review, check to see that the poster is in good standing on that forum, AND that they posted something besides the PermaSalt review. In my experience here, posters who register and ONLY post positive reviews about some product are never legitimate.

Also you don't have to have an SWCG (salt water chlorine generator) to add salt to your pool. Just keep in mind that salt increases corrosion no matter why you put it into the pool.